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[Tunen]

[tjr]

OL-squat > high-bar homo-squat

[Guest Slettet bruger]

Tom Platz > all

[Squatfather]

Tom Platz > all

Platz er ikke andet end en wanna-be ved siden af Captain Kirk...

[Guest Slettet bruger]

Eftersom Platz OL-squattede 775 lbs, ATG, uden 1rm træning og uden udstyr ved jeg ikke hvor meget en wannabe han er..

edit: i øvrigt år efter hans peak

Edited August 21, 2007 by ARMADA_I

[Tunen]

Eftersom Platz OL-squattede 775 lbs, ATG, uden 1rm træning og uden udstyr ved jeg ikke hvor meget en wannabe han er..

But he did teh druuugs

[Squatfather]

Eftersom Platz OL-squattede 775 lbs, ATG, uden 1rm træning og uden udstyr ved jeg ikke hvor meget en wannabe han er..

edit: i øvrigt år efter hans peak

bla bla bla...Platz er bare en svans der går for meget op i sit hår. Captain Kirk er kongen af squat.

[heffehurtig]

Chakarov får hele banden til at ligne gigtramte paraplegikere...350 atg hiiiighbar no-no-no @ 91...

Forresten; tuna, hva betyder all-stars > ironworks? Hvem er allstars og hvad er ironworks?

Edited August 21, 2007 by heffehurtig

[Guest Slettet bruger]

bla bla bla..

Chakarov får hele banden til at ligne gigtramte paraplegikere...350 atg hiiiighbar no-no-no @ 91...

Eftersom Platz OL-squattede 775 lbs, ATG, uden 1rm træning og uden udstyr ved jeg ikke hvor meget en wannabe han er.. wub.gif

edit: i øvrigt år efter hans peak

platz, 775 lbs= 351 kg

teh pwned.

[Squatfather]

>Dr. Fridag

Hvornår skulle Platz have squattet den vægt???

[Guest Slettet bruger]

IM: So obviously you were very, very strong in these exercises.

TP: Yes, but to me it got to the point where I really wasn’t concerned with reps or sets. I was concerned with contracting the muscle, and this fish visualization is something I made up in my own mind to help me contract the muscle. I had to become the muscle. My job was to grow. Any way I could put tension on the muscle, whether it be no reps, holding the weight at the top or the bottom of halfway, or anything to make the muscle respond and achieve more tension within the muscle, I would do.

IM: If you’d been pushed at the time to do one rep in a powerlifting squat, what do you think would have been your maximum?

TP: Well, I’d say with a little bit of training for a maximum lift I probably could have squatted just under a grand. And I wasn’t really trained as a strength athlete. Although I did train with Fred Hatfield last year, and I was able to do – what did I do? Eight plates (775 pounds) for a single. However, back then, if we’re looking at those years, ’85 to ’86, I think realistically 800 to 900 pounds would have been a predictable single. With some training specificity.

While it’s on my mind, let me explain that sometimes I would not do leg extensions first or I would do hack squats first. In fact, I’d usually mix it up according to my instinct. In some workouts I’d go on the hack squat machine first, and I would start with some warmup sets. I can remember doing reps and sets and partials and isometrics and half-reps, with my partner there helping me, to the point where I’d actually go somewhere. My mind would leave the gym.

It was a strange experience. But the reps were always quite high and the weights were very heavy. At that point I was able to put five 45 pound plates on each side and do 30 or 40 reps.

IM: The sheer mental and physical intensity that you established in your leg work, did this idea also carry over to your training for the other bodyparts?

TP: It sure did. I usually trained each bodypart like that. It was a lot of stress, a lot of mental stress, but it was something that I enjoyed; however, by ’86 I had to cut back and retire because I couldn’t withstand the stress anymore. I mean, taking your body and pushing it that hard on a daily basis for, jeez, I don’t know how many years that was, almost 10 years as a pro – there was a time when you wanted to explore other realms of life and living. It ultimately becomes counterproductive to put that much stress on your nervous system. I think the hardest thing about training that hard is your nervous system has to recover all the time. And it’s very difficult to continue to do that for years on end. But that’s how I trained, and if I had to do it all over again, I wouldn’t do it any differently.

jeg husker ikke hvornår interviewet er fra da det ikke fremgår af interviewets tekst. Men altså, senere end 86 hvor han vel peakede massemæssigt.

[Guest Slettet bruger]

Og om hans reps:

IM: After moving to California, you did squats, hack squats and what other exercises for you legs?

TP: I would usually only add leg extensions before a contest. But as I developed more of an advanced routine, I decided I was only going to train legs once a week. I was trying to de-emphasize my leg girth, if you will, and put more energy into my upper body. In fact, I squatted every other week – only twice a month – and I got progressively stronger in the squat, which was almost mind-boggling, scary. It’s a mystery to me, and to most of my training partners to this day how that happened.

As I began squatting twice a month, I would do reps on both days usually, instead of doing one heavy workout and one rep workout, as I was doing during the intermediate phase. And on the other leg day I would do leg extensions – my own specialized version – and hack squats. I also began using Nautilus machines for the first time on the leg curl.

During the advanced routine the workload was cut dramatically, but the intensity was increased in almost the same proportion. Consequently, the intensity went to the point where I could actually feel a muscle begin to tear from the bone, and I’d quit the set. I was able to take intensity that far – you know, I was careful not to injure myself. I needed more recuperation time. Because the intensity level was so increased and at such a high level, I couldn’t recuperate that fast. I couldn’t squat and train legs every week or twice a week. And I developed that kind of attitude and understanding about my leg training.

During the height of my career as a far as the advanced level was concerned, I did 635 for 15 below-parallel rep in the squat prior to the ’86 Mr. Olympia. I mean, 15 perfect reps.

IM: Wow!

TP: That was only weeks before a contest mind you. So I really wasn’t training for strength at that time at all. But my ability and endurance factor went way up, my intensity went way up to the point where I can remember lying on the floor after a set of squats feeling like somebody was stabbing knives in my legs. It was extremely painful, but I always had a high pain threshold – or I probably should say I developed a high pain threshold over the years.

But again, the focus in my advanced leg training was not on workload; it was on intensity and on isolation and on instinct.

IM: So even though your thigh development had reached a maximum perhaps as far as sheer size or girth by the end of the intermediate phase of training, your leg training during the advanced stage was even more demanding. You really took it to the outer limits.

TP: Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I would go further than I ever had in the past. Sometimes after a set of rep-squats during the advanced routine I would lie on the floor gasping for air, and I would think to myself: Jeez, what if I don’t make it back? What if I don’t recover from this tremendous oxygen debt I’m in right now? And I knew I always would, but sometimes I felt like, my God, I could have a heart attack.

But to me it’s like I had to function within that red zone – like a Porsche has to function at the higher RPMs. For me, to attain the higher, freaky levels of extreme leg development, I had to explore the realm of risk. And risk to me is associated with any successful venture. Especially with exploration – where someone has never gone before.

[Squatfather]

Den nok bedste squatter i dag, Clive Henry.

425kg

400 - 422.5 - 440kg (IPF M1 world record)

[Guest]

Den nok bedste squatter i dag, Clive Henry.

425kg

Sjovt at se hvorledes en IPF løfter bruger chuck taylors og squatter semi bredt.

Synes ikke man ser det blandt så mange danske løftere men måske det står anderledes til i eliten i IPF?

Sådan en gut, som Clive Henry må da kunne owne i de amerikanske forbund.

Squattie, hvad tror du en gut, som ham kunne vinde på en strammere dragt og et squat til parralel. Sådan ca.? Det er jo altid skægt at sammenligne, selvom det ikke er særlig relevant.

[Søren W]

Sjovt at se hvorledes en IPF løfter bruger chuck taylors og squatter semi bredt.

Synes ikke man ser det blandt så mange danske løftere men måske det står anderledes til i eliten i IPF?

Sådan en gut, som Clive Henry må da kunne owne i de amerikanske forbund.

Squattie, hvad tror du en gut, som ham kunne vinde på en strammere dragt og et squat til parralel. Sådan ca.? Det er jo altid skægt at sammenligne, selvom det ikke er særlig relevant.

Der er en del herhjemme der står bredt.

Det er umuligt at gisne om hvad han kunne hente på andet gear, højere squat og narko.

[heffehurtig]

Han er en karismatiks og meget indlevende fortæller den gode Platz. Jeg syntes det er enormt fedt at høre en mester, der taler om følelser og spiritualitet og den slags i stedet for go'e gamle reps og sets og mere eller mindre videnskabelige tilgange til træning. Jeg mener i hvert fald selv, at træning er udtryk for den måde man føler på. Og det man søger efter i en spirituel forstand.

Dertil er squat jo fantastisk, fordi det bare kræver nosser og ånd at komme videre i den øvelse.

Men chakarov Pwner nu stadig dem alle, hvis man justerer for kropsvægt, dopetesting, udstyr og så videre...Selvom 15 reps med 635lbs satme også er en historie for sig

PS: Ham Clive Henry kan den ondelyneme få sin røv ud af hullet med nogle kilo for dælen da! God stil der.

Edited August 21, 2007 by heffehurtig

[Squatfather]

Sjovt at se hvorledes en IPF løfter bruger chuck taylors og squatter semi bredt.

Synes ikke man ser det blandt så mange danske løftere men måske det står anderledes til i eliten i IPF?

Sådan en gut, som Clive Henry må da kunne owne i de amerikanske forbund.

Squattie, hvad tror du en gut, som ham kunne vinde på en strammere dragt og et squat til parralel. Sådan ca.? Det er jo altid skægt at sammenligne, selvom det ikke er særlig relevant.

Clive står ekstremt bredt. Specielt når du ser på hvor korte ben han har. Men i IPF er der nu både folk der står meget bredt og andre der står meget smalt. Jeg kan ikke lige komme på nogen danske løftere der står lige så bredt som Clive. Men der er nu også en del danskere der står rimligt bredt.

Med hensyn til de amerikanske forbund, så er deres squat en joke. Hvis det er en kendt løfter og der er meget vægt på kan de jo nærmest ikke underkendes på dybde.

[Guest Slettet bruger]

absolut enig med chefen, hvilket er årsagen til jeg synes platz er hardcore. Hans balls to the walls, high intensity approach og så hans filosofiske tilgang.

nu skal vi ikke gøre mig mere fanboy end jeg er, men platz var jo uden udstyr og forholdvist lav kropsvægt (jeg husker ikke hans competition weight i 1986 hvor han lavede de 15 reps med 288 kg) men mener en 217 lbs.. dog muligt jeg tager fejl) og selvfølgelig dopet. Var Chakarov clean? Ellers har de jo de andre ting til fælles

platz da han var mest massiv:

jeg tjekkede i øvrigt med platz og han bekræftede følgende tal:

15 reps m. 635 lbs

20 reps me. 600 lbs.

23 reps med 585 lbs.

Edited August 21, 2007 by ARMADA_I

[Søren W]

Med hensyn til de amerikanske forbund, så er deres squat en joke. Hvis det er en kendt løfter og der er meget vægt på kan de jo nærmest ikke underkendes på dybde.

Haha, sørgeligt men sandt!

[Guest]

Med hensyn til de amerikanske forbund, så er deres squat en joke. Hvis det er en kendt løfter og der er meget vægt på kan de jo nærmest ikke underkendes på dybde.

Enig, men det er trodsalt stadig spændende at følge med.

Synes nu ikke det er så bredt ifh. til hvad man er vant til at se rundt omkring i andre forbund. Men det hænger jo nok også sammen med monolift og brugen af briefs.

[Charlie T]

Clive står ekstremt bredt. Specielt når du ser på hvor korte ben han har. Men i IPF er der nu både folk der står meget bredt og andre der står meget smalt. Jeg kan ikke lige komme på nogen danske løftere der står lige så bredt som Clive. Men der er nu også en del danskere der står rimligt bredt.

Med hensyn til de amerikanske forbund, så er deres squat en joke. Hvis det er en kendt løfter og der er meget vægt på kan de jo nærmest ikke underkendes på dybde.

Nærmer Henrik Nielsen sig ikke? Han mangler bare kropsvægten

[Søren W]

jeg tjekkede i øvrigt med platz og han bekræftede følgende tal:

15 reps m. 635 lbs

20 reps me. 600 lbs.

23 reps med 585 lbs.

Har du ham på MSN eller sms'ede du ham lige?

[TLunau]

Wade Hooper har en stil der minder lidt om Henry's med bred stand... han er beskidt i forhold til sin kropsvægt

Wade Hooper - 165 lbs.

Ht:5'3"

Hometown:Baton Rouge, LA

Family: Married 5 yrs. to Kimberly Lynn Hooper

Best Lifts:

SQ: 766 BP: 534; DL: 611; Total: 1,890

[Squatfather]

Nærmer Henrik Nielsen sig ikke? Han mangler bare kropsvægten

Henrik er vel sammen med Tonni iblandt dem der står breddest herhjemme. Men jeg vil nu ikke mene, at nogen af dem står blot i nærheden af Clive´s bredde.

En anden af de bedste i IPF. Andy "Dr. Bein" Dörner squatter 405kg.

Endnu et squat fra Dr. Bein, denne gang 400kg

[linis]

Enig, men det er trodsalt stadig spændende at følge med.

Synes nu ikke det er så bredt ifh. til hvad man er vant til at se rundt omkring i andre forbund. Men det hænger jo nok også sammen med monolift og brugen af briefs.

Det er fordi du er en Elitefts fan boy. Det er nu engang groft sagt IPF i resten af verden og så er der de amerikanske små forbund. Der ofte er cirkus forbund.

De har bastardiseret squatten i en sådan grad, at jeg ikke helt ved hvad det er de laver længere.