Quantanamo Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 http://www.jp.dk/indland/artikel:aid=3169212/Umiddelbart interessant, men lyder også som en lidt forhastet konklusion. Nogen der kender undersøgelsen?Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sputnik Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 Mon ikke det er denne her?Eur J Cardiovasc Prev Rehabil. 2005 Jun;12(3):236-42. Lifestyle, social class, and obesity-the Copenhagen Male Study.Suadicani P, Olehein H, Gyntelberg F.aThe Copenhagen Male Study, Epidemiological Research Unit, Clinic of Environmental and Occupational Medicine, Bispebjerg University Hospital, Copenhagen bResearch Centre for Prevention and Health, Glostrup University Hospital, Copenhagen, Denmark.OBJECTIVE: With the implicit purpose of identifying relevant intervention targets, the aim of the study was to test if lifestyle factors associated with obesity are unevenly distributed across social groups, and whether an uneven distribution of such factors may contribute to the explanation of social differences in obesity. DESIGN: Cross-sectional study of 3290 men aged 53-75 years (mean=63) carried out in 1985-1986 using in addition, data from a previous baseline established in 1970-1971. Information about lifestyle factors was obtained from a questionnaire validated during an interview. Potential risk factors were smoking history, alcohol consumption, leisure time physical activity (LTPA), and from the 1985-1986 study only: consumption of tea and coffee, use of sugar in tea or coffee, and avoidance of fat in foods. The clinical examination included measurements of height and weight. Obesity was defined as a body mass index >/=30 (BMI=kg/m). Based on information about education and job profile the men were subdivided into five social classes. RESULTS: Overall, 291 men (8.8%) were obese. The lower the social class the higher the proportion of obese men: in social classes I and II, 4.5% (of 953), social class III, 9.1% (of 636), social class IV, 11.1% (of 1353), and social class V, 11.6% (of 346), P<0.001 (trend test). Leisure time physical activity, alcohol consumption, smoking habits, use of sugar in hot beverages, and consumption of coffee and tea, were all significantly associated with obesity, either positively or negatively, and even significantly associated with social class. Based on these lifestyle factors it was possible to discriminate subgroups with highly different prevalences of obesity. Despite this, adjustment for identified obesity covariates in a multiple logistic regression analysis did in no way explain the association of social class with obesity. CONCLUSION: Lifestyle factors in concert strongly associated with obesity are unevenly distributed across social classes, yet incapable of explaining the higher prevalence of obesity in lower social classes.PMID: 15942422 [PubMed - in process] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devito Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 Nu begynder det sgu igen...jeg fatter det ik.... Er teorien om klaorie overskud/underskud ikke 100% bulletproff som forklaring på vægtøgelse eller vægt tab, JO Fra artiklen»Til vores store overraskelse kan vi se, at der er langt færre overvægtige blandt dem, der bruger sukker i kaffen,Det er ikke en undersøgelse det er statistik... og hvad dælen siger det om personens kalorie balance, nada....AAAAAAAAH, (jeg river mig i håret) det er lige så latterligt som dem der bliver overrasket over at man kan spise mad fra McDonalds og stadig tabe sig,Hvorfor hvorfor, JO fordi det er og bliver kaloriebalancen seriøst ovenstående er da det lammeste jeg længe har hørt...coming up next----> "til vores Store overraskelse kan vi se at der er langt færre overvægtige blandt de mænd der kører i stationcar ifht. dem der kører zedan Er der nogen der kan lave en chewbacca smiley, for at quote Chef's advokat i southpark,"this is chewbacca, it's dosent make sence " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddy Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 coming up next----> "til vores Store overraskelse kan vi se at der er langt færre overvægtige blandt de mænd der kører i stationcar ifht. dem der kører zedan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sputnik Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Det er ikke en undersøgelse det er statistik... og hvad dælen siger det om personens kalorie balance, nada....<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Det siger da netop, at statistisk set er personer, der bruger sukker i kaffe eller te, sjældnere i kalorieoverskud end personer, der ikke bruger sukker i kaffe eller te. Glukose stimulerer sekretion af glucagon-like peptide 1 (GLP1) i tarmen, og det er tidligere vist, at GLP1 er associeret med et lavere kalorieindtag i forsøgsdyr (Meier et al. 2002). Hypotesen er, at selv små indtag af sukker flere gange i løbet af dagen kan føre til en disproportional stor mæthed i forhold til kalorieindtaget og dermed resultere i et lavere totalt kalorieindtag.Det er da interessant i forhold til nuværende råd om at skære så meget som muligt på sukkerindtaget under vægttab. Meier JJ, Gallwitz B, Schmidt WE, Nauck MA. Glucagon-like peptide 1 as a regulator of food intake and body weight: therapeutic perspectives. Eur J Pharmacol 2002; 440:269-279. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPauli Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Er lige blevet diskuteret i denne tråd:http://www.motion-online.dk/fora/index.php?showtopic=25330Rock'n Roll SaintPauli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 Det siger da netop, at statistisk set er personer, der bruger sukker i kaffe eller te, sjældnere i kalorieoverskud end personer, der ikke bruger sukker i kaffe eller te. Spændende hvis det viser sig at holde stik.Det er da interessant i forhold til nuværende råd om at skære så meget som muligt på sukkerindtaget under vægttab. Dette er forkert. Fagfolk på området anbefaler generelt ikke at reducere sukkerindtaget så meget som muligt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Mikkelsen Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 En anden forklaring på denne observation kunne være:Alle fede menesker er kede af deres overvægt, de ønsker sig inert inde alle at blive tynde. Dette ønske føre til at de gør små ting som de tror kan hjælpe dem på vej, feksempel at droppe sukker i kaffen.tynde menesker behøver bare ikke tænke over den slags, de er jo tynde! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devito Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 En anden forklaring på denne observation kunne være:Alle fede menesker er kede af deres overvægt, de ønsker sig inert inde alle at blive tynde. Dette ønske føre til at de gør små ting som de tror kan hjælpe dem på vej, feksempel at droppe sukker i kaffen.tynde menesker behøver bare ikke tænke over den slags, de er jo tynde!<{POST_SNAPBACK}>bulls eye :4thumbup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sputnik Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 En anden forklaring på denne observation kunne være:Alle fede menesker er kede af deres overvægt, de ønsker sig inert inde alle at blive tynde. Dette ønske føre til at de gør små ting som de tror kan hjælpe dem på vej, feksempel at droppe sukker i kaffen.tynde menesker behøver bare ikke tænke over den slags, de er jo tynde!<{POST_SNAPBACK}>bulls eye :4thumbup:<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Forfatterne mener selv, at det er usandsynligt, at det er hele grunden:For many years people with weight problems have been advised to cut down on their sugar intake and to avoid fat, particularly saturated fatty acids, namely, animal fat. Despite this only a weak association was found between avoidance of fat and obesity. Yet, self-assessed avoidance of fat seemed to be a marker of weight consciousness, the implications of which are addressed in the additional analyses section. Even this observation makes it less likely that the association between sugar use in hot beverages and obesity can simply be ascribed to a weight control effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjørn Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Har undersøgelser ik vist sig at kaffe ændrer en sukkerstofskifte på en eller anden måde så man ikke få så meget ud af sin insulin?Mener jyllandsposten i forbindelse med det påstod at kaffe kunne give sukkersyge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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