Insaniac Posted May 29, 2003 Report Share Posted May 29, 2003 Hej!Jeg faldt over denne her pakke, men tænkte på om det er noget som er noget værd?Jeg står nemlig og skal have mig noget nyt proteinpulver, men kunne også godt tænke mig at prøve kreatin om et stykke tid når jeg er kommet ordentlig igang med min træning igen.I produktets beskrivelse står der:1 x 4,5 kilo Danlan Ultra Whey Protein2 x ON ALA1 x 1200 g Danlab Micronizied Creatinemen hvad er ON ALA?På forhånd tak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fistandantilus Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Taget fra Bodyhouse.dk:Lipoic Acid: Same anabolic effects as a weak AAS like Primo OK, I see some people still don't fully understand how ALA works. Yes, its the best liver protector out there, BUT it also has some pretty incredible nutrient partitioning qualities similiar to those of a weak AAS liek Primo. Lets examine the physiological response to a meal taken with ALA and w/o ALA. THIS WHOLE SCENARIO ASSUMES GLYCOGEN STORES ARE ALREADY FULL!!! Remember this......(This is the scenario when bulking) 1. Meal taken w/o ALA. i) Food(Macro-nutrients) are ingested. ii) Body converts these nutrients to glucose, its main source of fuel.(Protein and triglycerides also convert to glucose btw) Protein: 58% glucogenic Fat: 10% glucogenic iii) The body detects the glucose entering the Blood-stream and releases insulin to shuttle the glucose/amino-acids/fats into the cells. This is done by the Pancreas. These cells are the miocytes(muscle cells) and adipocytes(fat cells) Now, the muscle-cells are COMPLETELY full, so all the nutrients are either shuttled INTO the adipocytes(fat cells) or oxidized for energy. Net result: INCREASE IN FAT MASS. Now, Meal taken w/ ALA i) Food(Macro-nutrients) are ingested. ii) Body converts these nutrients to glucose, its main source of fuel.(Protein and triglycerides also convert to glucose btw) Protein: 58% glucogenic Fat: 10% glucogenic iii) The body detects the glucose entering the Blood-stream and releases insulin to shuttle the glucose/amino-acids/fats into the cells. These cells are the miocytes(muscle cells) and adipocytes(fat cells) However,(And this is the IMPORTANT PART), ALA has increased the amount of glut-4 transporters on the out-side of the miocytes(muscle-cells) considerably.(By roughly 50% from the studies that have been posted) This effect gives the msucle-cells the ability to soak up MORE glucose from the blood-stream. In essence, you have increased the amount of glycogen your muscles can store. So, we now have a glucose wave incoming into the the micoytes and adipopcytes which is being pushed by a certain amount of insulin.(Depending on the amount of food(type) consumed). Now, in a normal scenario(like w/o ALA being added to the meal) the net result would be fat gain, BUT the glucose is now PARTIALLY being diverted to the miocytes(muscle-cells), due to the increased cellular glut-4 content being generated by the exogeneously orally administered ALA. This now means that the glucose+nutrients are being diverted to BOTH the MUSCLE-cells and fat-cells w/o ANY CHANGE in insulogenic levels. While in the w/o ALA scenario the glucose was being diverted STRAIGHT to the fat-cells. What does this all mean? That by just adding ALA to a meal you have diverted MORE NUTRIENTS into your muscle cells than into your fat cells. This is what a nutrient-partitioning agent does. The net result is an increased muscle-gain over the long-run with a smaller fat-gain. To give you a quantitative idea, if a person gains 10lbs muscle and 10lbs fat in a bulking cycle w/o ALA. He/she is likely to gain around 14lbs muscle and 6 lbs fat if he/she would have taken ALA. Thats what makes ALA a kick-ass supplement. This whole thread is of course in reference to HIGH-DOSES of ALA. Roughly 3000mg/day or more. And, before anybody starts saying that I'm going to die, the toxic dose for a 165-lb individual is 30,000mg, so doomsayers begone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cilius Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Hvad er prisen på sådan en lille kombo...? Hvor har du fundet det henne - typen af ALA har afgørende betydning for effekten, og det afspejler sig samtidig i prisen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insaniac Posted May 30, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Hvad er prisen på sådan en lille kombo...? Jeg har fundet det her:ProduktetJeg kan dog ikke finde ud af om det koster 1435kr eller 1199kr, men går ud fra at det er 1199kr når der står tilbud.Synes I det er noget jeg burde/skal købe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cilius Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Jeg ville ikke bruge penge på det - har lige kigget igennem om der var linket til ALA'en et andet sted... men nada dukkede op. Danlabs Ultra Whey er en anelse lav i proteinindholdet IMO. Deres UltraWhey2 derimod er glimrende - og smager tilmed fantastisk (en af de få jordbær jeg faktisk har kunne lide). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insaniac Posted May 30, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Okay... er der så noget andet proteinpulver som er suverænt og til en fornuftig pris?Noget kreatin i kan anbefale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cilius Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Danlabs kreatin er glimrende (faktisk rigtig godt)Danlabs UltraWhey2 er også et solidt stykke produkt til en fornuftig pris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insaniac Posted May 30, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 (edited) Danlabs kreatin er glimrende (faktisk rigtig godt)Danlabs UltraWhey2 er også et solidt stykke produkt til en fornuftig pris.Jeg synes ikke lige jeg kan finde Danlabs kreatin på Sublimsport eller Getbig. På Sublimsport har jeg fundet Danlabs Ultra Whey men du skriver Ultra Whey 2?! Er der nogen forskel?Hvad med Viking Kreatin?Takker ;) Edited May 30, 2003 by Insaniac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cilius Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Jeg har ikke prøvet vikings kreatin, så jeg vil ikke være i stand til at udtale mig specielt om produktet. Danlabs UltraWhey2 indeholder 77% protein vs. UltraWhey's 60%, og prisen er ikke så afsindig anderledes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tungpres Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Mon ikke ON ALA er Optimum Nutrition Alpha Lipoic AcidAltså helt almindelig ALA i kapselform. Jeg ville holde mig til protein og kreatin, og så finde de to ting billigst muligt. Kreatin får man jo nærmest smidt i nakken nu om dage. Danlab kreatin er vist fra Creapure, og det er generelt udmærket, men det samme kan fås som prolab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insaniac Posted May 30, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Jeg har fundet Danlab Ultra Whey 2 protein 4kg til 649kr og Danlab kreatin til 300kr for 1200gr.Er det fornuftige priser? :)Skal bare lige vide om jeg skal slå til. Hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cilius Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Det er en fin pris IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dines Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Ud fra hvad jeg ellers har læst om ALA, så lyder det som et yderst interessant kosttilskud, bare synd det er så F**KIN' dyrt! Ellers var det nok en af de få ting jeg kunne tænke mig at efterprøve. Men SU'en rækker ikke til mange af den slags tests :( Her er et link til lidt diskussion ang. ALA og lidt litteratur: Bodyhouse diskussionEt andet link med lidt info om ALA:Supplement Watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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