Olympia 2006

[Tunen]

DAMN hans hud er blevet tyk!!

Du kan jo stort set ingen seperationer se på delt og back

Det er jo også dér han altid er bagud... Mon ikke det bliver bedre når han får skyllet væsken helt ud

[Tunen]

Desuden synes jeg hans midsection er blevet bredere i år..?

Hva??? Synes da netop det er dér han har forbedret sig mest...?

[tenace]

ser da ud som om i snakker forbi hinanden :) hehe

[Flexipecs]

Hva??? Synes da netop det er dér han har forbedret sig mest...?

Ved nærmere undersøgelse tror jeg du har ret - huskede ham bare ikke så breee'.....

Her et et pic fra 2004 - ugly bugly midsection

[Johnny Bravo]

[jk1]

Hans ben er for syyyyge!!

[Tunen]

Ok hvor er de lede de hjul

Flexi>> Ja det ser skidt ud... Det var bare endnu værre i 2005

[Johnny Bravo]

Dennis James 11 days out.

Er usikker på om næste billede er fra samme dag.

[BBRulez]

http://webcast.bodybuilding.com/fitshow/fi....php?episode=39

Videoklip fra The fit show med Gunter Schlierkamp

[GoingBiG]

Tunen>

Den fik jeg ikke svaret på sidst. Det er bare en lam kommentar, "lad dem om det". Det tror jeg jeg vil skrive hver gang en person kommenterer en adfærd eller handling, "lad dem om det".

Kritikpunktet er jo helt fair: fitness drenge der krudter sig for at fremvise resultater der er "nemt" opnåelige på naturlig vis er til grin, og det har jeg ret til at kommentere. Og det er interessant nok da det alt andet end lige må trække ned på bedømmelsen af dem (ikke til konkurrence men som atleter): de bruger stoffer for at ligne (relativt set) shit.

Hvornår slipper vi for dine hjernedøde kommentarer til alt der bare har det mindste med krudt at gøre. Tror snart folk har fattet at du ik bryder dig om det. Men det her er en olympia tråd. Forresten ser vi snart dig stille op til DM i en let opnåelig konkurrence form? Det burde vel ikke være noget problem?

Edited September 20, 2006 by GoingBiG

[Johnny Bravo]

[salt]

Hvornår slipper vi for dine hjernedøde kommentarer til alt der bare har det mindste med krudt at gøre. Tror snart folk har fattet at du ik bryder dig om det. Men det her er en olympia tråd. Forresten ser vi snart dig stille op til DM i en let opnåelig konkurrence form? Det burde vel ikke være noget problem?

Amen.

Synes ikke denne tråd skal ødelægges af endnu en dopingdebat.

Og tak til JB for de fede billider

[Johnny Bravo]

Amen.

Synes ikke denne tråd skal ødelægges af endnu en dopingdebat.

Og tak til JB for de fede billider

NP, jeg copy/paster dem jo bare fra andre boards

[Guest Slettet bruger]

Punkt 1: det indlæg var ikke oplæg til nogen vild debat.

Punkt 2: jeg står stadig ved min kommentar

Punkt 3: da både du, GoingBig og Johnny B. har været på krudt uden - all things considered - at kunne fremvise det vilde forventer jeg ikke den store indsigt fra jer i diskussioner om krudt. Du spørger jo mig direkte om DM osv osv. Det har ikke min interesse, men jeg mener helt sikkert det kan gøres clean, jeg mener druggies springer over pga. utålmodighed, og jeg mener fitnessgutterne er ynkelige for at bruge krudt til at opnå det de opnår. Så er holdningen lagt på bordet og vil nogen udfordre synspunktet kan man starte en tråd i Generelt eller lignende hvis man vil diskutere det....

[Johnny Bravo]

Så er holdningen lagt på bordet og vil nogen udfordre synspunktet kan man starte en tråd i Generelt eller lignende hvis man vil diskutere det....

Eller bare læse en af de gamle tråde.

[Johnny Bravo]

Vince taylor 2 weeks out

[Johnny Bravo]

Branch Warren 10 days out...

[jk1]

Branch Warren 10 days out...

hans ben er fandme vilde . men arme er jo nærmest ikke eksisterende . specielt hans højre arm.

[LaMotta]

Gustavo Badel fra Slutningen af August, ved ikke om de er blevet postet før?

Edited September 21, 2006 by LaMotta

[jk1]

Dennis James 11 days out.

Er usikker på om næste billede er fra samme dag.

Håber efterhånden kritikerne af Dennis James er blevet overbevist. han ser virkelig voldsom ud i år

[Johnny Bravo]

[ShotPut2012]

Punkt 1: det indlæg var ikke oplæg til nogen vild debat.

Punkt 2: jeg står stadig ved min kommentar

Punkt 3: da både du, GoingBig og Johnny B. har været på krudt uden - all things considered - at kunne fremvise det vilde forventer jeg ikke den store indsigt fra jer i diskussioner om krudt. Du spørger jo mig direkte om DM osv osv. Det har ikke min interesse, men jeg mener helt sikkert det kan gøres clean, jeg mener druggies springer over pga. utålmodighed, og jeg mener fitnessgutterne er ynkelige for at bruge krudt til at opnå det de opnår. Så er holdningen lagt på bordet og vil nogen udfordre synspunktet kan man starte en tråd i Generelt eller lignende hvis man vil diskutere det....

Hvad Palle, Polle og Ruth har været på, har ingen relevans i denne tråd. Jeg har ikke været på noget, nogensinde!

JA! Doping er forkert.

JA! Bodybuilding er sikkert fyldt med det, men det er ikke det tråden drejer sig om.

Det drejer sig om at diskuterer hvem der vinder Mr. O 2006. Let's get back to the subject.

[ANTO]

Fede billeder af Warren. Jeg synes der er lidt Yates over ham: grumme ben, biceps er måske lidt under par, men den samlede pakke er bare som skåret i granit.

Er der iøvrigt nogen der kender de præcise kriterier for bedømmelsen ved Mr O? Jeg mener hvordan de forskellige parametre vægtes i forhold til hinanden. Masse er nok klart den vigtigste, men hvor meget tæller den mere end f.eks. symmetri?

Fandt i denne sammenhæng en god post på BBD, men er der nogen, som kan vurdere, om skribenten har ret i sine bedømmelser?

Here comes a long-winded post for sure. :eek4dance

Okay, so I took the top 10 at the Olympia and ranked them all 1-10 in each of the following categories: Condition (30% of total), Mass (30%), Shape (20%), Symmetry (20%). Condition and Mass are the two highest weighted categories due to their paramount demand at the Olympia. The higher the ranking, the higher amount of points you get (for example 1st place for a category is awarded 10 points, 2nd gets 9, etc...). At the end of each description I'll add their cumulative weighted score up to that point. Here's what I came up with, feel free to chime in your feelings.

Note: Pictures were examined from prejudging

Conditioning

Looking for: Overall leaness, overal detail and striations (particularly in the back and glutes), vascularity, dryness, seperation.

1. Darrem - Shredded. The only place he lacks some crispness is his back but his incredible vascularity and detail more than makes up for it. (3 pts)

2. Ronnie - Despite missing some detail in his back db he was still incredibly lean with tight glutes, viens everywhere, and striations and maturity like no one else on stage. (2.7 pts)

3. Jay - Really, the only thing seperating he and Ronnie here is some slight glute tightness, very little lower back water, and muscle maturity. Incredibly close but Ronnie proves that some things, particularly muscle detail, gets better with age. (2.4 pts)

4. Branch - Tight everywhere and has a grainy look similar to dorian but someone lacks incredible seperation particularly in his back and arms. Super dry. (2.1 pts)

5. Gustavo - Always gets tighter as the show goes on and it was evident here as his glutes and lower back tightened up a lot between prejudging and the night show. (1.8 pts)

6. Gunter - Great condition but lacks detail in the hamstrings, arms, and intercostals in comparison to the top guys. (1.5 pts)

7. Vic - Quad seperation not as defined as anyone above him and despite good chest striations you can tell there's incredible detail below about five more pounds of fat/water that's eagerly waiting to pop out. (1.2 pts)

8. Melvin - Not nearly as tight in the glutes, which is always a trouble spot for him and his back was a bit watery as well. Despite this, his arms and back still show great detail in all side poses and and his quads are deeply seperated. (0.9 pts)

9. DJ - It's not that DJ was off, just everyone ahead of him was on and he still, for whatever reason, doesn't have the detail the guys aboved him showed. This holds true in areas like back, arms, and legs (from the front). His coloring also wasn't optimal and hurt his display. (0.6 pts)

10. Mustafa - Need I say more? (0.3 pts)

Mass

Looking for: Mass without distention or oddly shaped body parts

1. Ronnie - :ughbow: (5.7 pts)

2. Jay - This was a good size for Jay, but he can't expect to outmass the big nasty. (5.1 pts)

3. DJ - Massive and thick but slightly lacks overall back and leg size when compared to Ronnie and Jay. His waistline also is taken into consideration and did not help him in this category. (3 pts)

4. Mustafa - His wide waist takes away from his overall illusion of being more massive than the others. Still, his quads more than make up for any other mass shortcomings such as his back or arms. (2.4 pts)

5. Vic - Not going to outmass the big guys but still sports incredibly wide shoulders and a very thick chest and back; this combination of thickness gave him the nod over Gunter. (3 pts)

6. Gunter - Down-sized this year and his legs, shoulders, and chest aren't as full as we've seen. Great shape, but sacrificed thickness; height certaintly helps him here because he is still fairly well filled out. (3 pts)

7. Branch - Incredibly thick but his shorter stature and smaller structure hurts him in this category. Yes, his chest and legs are both massive but the guys that placed ahead of him are all sporting great chests and thighs with thick backs and huge arms to go with them; still very close and hard to judge. (3.3 pts)

8. Gustavo - Not small by any means, he just isn't quite as massive as the guys that placed ahead of him. (2.7 pts)

9. Melvin (1.5 pts)

10. Darrem (3.3 pts)

Shape

Looking for: Actual shape of muscles, great tie-ins, flowing lines

1. Melvin - Not a standout bodypart on him; everything ties together nicely. Good shape of legs, especially his hamstrings, as well as arms, chest, and back. Everything flows well. (3.5 pts)

2. Darrem - Muscle by muscle he has great shape but they don't quite tie in as well as Melvins. Still, great bis, tris, abs, and delts. (5.1 pts)

3. Vic - Only lagging bodypart would be calves, which could stand to be a bit larger. Vic's gotten a little thicker around the midsection which is the only reason he wasn't higher but other than that he has incredible shape to his physique; just doesn't have the impossibly tiny joints like Darrem and Melvin (4.6 pts)

4. Gustavo - Good shape but doesn't have the shoulder to waist ratio like the guys ahead of him do. He's also not quite as full, either. (4.1 pts)

5. Ronnie - I know Cutler fans are screaming BS at this one but look at his bodyparts. He has the best chest, biceps, glutes, and back in the sport which more than make up for his shortcomings. On top of this, he paid attention to "the mandate" and brought his waistline down considerably despite not having the best ab shape. (6.9 pts)

6. Jay - His legs were unseen and his back has definately been brought up to become one of the best but his flat chest and very thick midsection (even when not exhaling) definately brought him down a notch in this category. (6.1 pts)

7. Gunter - Looks like an golden era bodybuilder which is both a good and bad thing. He has good, not great, lines and looks athletic but because of his frame (ie. his wide hips) he needs more mass across the top to look better. He also didn't come in as full, which hurt him. (3.8 pts)

8. Branch - Still needs a back and a little tricep mass to match the rest of him but his legs are on par with Jay's as being the best out there and his chest, abs, and shoulders are also standouts. (3.9 pts)

9. Mustafa - Doesn't do himself justice in the mandatories and appears to have too long a torso. His arms (triceps) and back also have to improve in order to move up. (2.8 pts)

10. DJ - Besides the fact that he was rude to our members (which I didn't really count), his waistline was bad and his quads from the front don't match his massive chest and shoulder combination. He also has high lats that appear to make his torso longer than it is. (3.2 pts)

Symmetry

Looking for: Balance from side-to-side and top-to-bottom. Very tough category to judge. Looking more for flaws than anything else

1. Melvin - :hsughno: (5.5 pts)

2. Darrem - Really a coinflip between him and Melvin, just needs slightly more leg size to be in balance with his upper body. (6.9 pts)

3. Gustavo - Looks even overall, despite holding his left arm higher in the front relaxed pose for some reason. (5.7 pts)

4. Gunter - Gained symmetry by sacrificing size. (5.2 pts)

5. Vic - The only flaw I spot is that his quads look different and some were commenting he might have in fact injured his right quad. If so, it's hardly noticable. (5.8 pts)

6. Jay - Flaws include legs and arms that appear the different in size but his body is very much in-sync with itself from front to back and side to side. (7.1 pts)

7. Ronnie - Really a toss-up between he and Jay because Ronnie also has one or two symmetrical flaws such as a difference between his left and right lat and his triceps. (7.7 pts)

8. Branch - Legs, particularly his calves, overpower the upper body and his back is not up to par with the rest of him either. Looks good left to right though. (4.5 pts)

9. Mustafa - His upper body looks good side to side and front to back but his torso appears long in comparison to his legs which also overpower his entire upper body in every pose. (3.2 pts)

10. DJ - Besides his midsection, his legs don't come close to matching his massive upper body, which is a bigger crime than having an upper body that doesn't match massive legs. (3.4 pts)

OVERALL

1. Ronnie Coleman (7.7)

2. Jay Cutler (7.1)

3. Darrem (6.9)

4. Vic (5.8)

5. Gustavo (5.7)

6. Melvin (5.5)

7. Gunter (5.2)

8. Branch (4.5)

9. DJ (3.4)

10. Mustafa (3.2)

I'm somewhat suprised by the results. The difference here is that the IFBB definately weighs mass in more than anything else and I think if we switched my percentage breakdown to something like 40% for Mass and only 10% for Symmetry it'd be pretty close to the overall Olympia placings. Still, I did have four of the ten athletes in the same place in comparison to the actual judging. I just think this was an interesting study to compare the top ten athletes in each individual category and rank them as the IFBB judges are supposed to; the difference of course is I tell you exactly how I'm weighting each category and the judges just sort of do their own thing without explination.

Please don't get on my ass over the results if you disagree because I'm sure a lot of you will. I'm not saying this is the way the Olympia placings should have gone or the way these athletes should be ranked or even the way I like their physiques; it just came out the way it did.

Edited September 21, 2006 by ANTO

[Johnny Bravo]

Paco Bautista har lige vundet Santa Susanna Pro og dermed kvalificeret sig til Olympia

Billedet er taget fra deres webcast, derfor den ringe kvalitet.

Markus Ruhl blev nr 2 og Wolf nr 3.

Edited September 24, 2006 by Johnny Bravo

[jk1]

Paco Bautista har lige vundet Santa Susanna Pro og dermed kvalificeret sig til Olympia

Billedet er taget fra deres webcast, derfor den ringe kvalitet.

Markus Ruhl blev nr 2 og Wolf nr 3.

er Ruhl så ikke kvalifiseret?